May 17, 2013

Robert Kleinschmidt, long-time Portfolio Manager of the Tocqueville Fund and a well-known contrarian on Wall Street. He was bullish on stocks when every one was calling for the death of equities. He pooh poohed the effect the election and the fiscal cliff would have on the market. Now he has a very contrarian view of the Fed’s unprecedented policy to keep interest rates low.

WEALTHTRACK Episode #947; Originally Broadcast on Month 17, 2013

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Tocqueville Asset Management [/wptabcontent] [wptabtitle] Newsletter[/wptabtitle] [wptabcontent]Consuelo MackThis week we have an exclusive interview with Robert Kleinschmidt, long-time portfolio manager of The Tocqueville Fund and a self-described “authority resistant trouble maker” who revels in investing where others fear to tread.

One place some other prominent investors have been fleeing is Apple stock. Hedge funds including Tiger Global Management, Appaloosa Management and Tudor Investment Corp all reported selling large stakes in the first quarter when the stock fell 17%. As they were leaving, Kleinschmidt was buying. A year ago he told us he would probably be the last person on earth to buy Apple because the stock was priced for perfection. No more! He discusses Apple on this week’s program.

Another investment that is under severe selling pressure is gold. It’s being pummeled again this week. Gold for June delivery closed at $1,383.50 today, down 28% from its record close of $1.923.70 set on September 6, 2011. If the decline continues, as many predict it will in this low inflation environment, gold could see its first annual decline since 2000.

Time to sell? Kleinschmidt has some against the herd thoughts on that too. You can hear them in our WEB EXTRA feature on our website, along with details about an interesting investment he is making in his personal account.

Kleinschmidt is the CEO, President and Chief Investment Officer of Tocqueville Asset Management, where he oversees assets worth more than $10 billion. He has managed the deep value, stock focused, Tocqueville Fund for more than two decades, beating the market and many of his peers with nearly 10% annualized returns in the process. On WEALTHTRACK a year ago, his most contrarian call was to be bullish on stocks. It was a time when the financial world and the markets seemed to be falling apart again and the “death of equities” headlines were resurfacing. How wrong they were!

This year his sights are set on the Federal Reserve and the impact Fed policy is having on interest rates and the markets. Many of our guests have called the Fed’s unprecedented moves to keep interest rates low “financial repression.” The key, short-term fed fund’s rate has been near 0% since the financial crisis hit five years ago. The Fed has told the markets it intends to keep it there at least until the unemployment rate drops to 6.5%. Its latest forecasts don’t show that happening until 2015. As top ranked, economic research firm ISI recently pointed out, there have been nearly 400 stimulative policy initiatives announced around the world by the Fed, other central banks and governments, all designed to boost economic growth. The great fear among many investors is how the Fed will extricate itself from these policies without roiling the markets.

Enter Kleinschmidt, the consummate contrarian. He pooh-poohed fears of a market meltdown over the elections and fiscal cliff last year. Now he’s unperturbed by the impact of Fed policies. For starters, he doesn’t hold the Fed responsible for today’s record low interest rates! I’ll ask him why.

We would love to hear your comments and suggestions about our newly re-vamped website, so please check it out. We are adding more content, such as this week’s WEB EXTRA interview with Kleinschmidt and putting it up on the website as soon as it is edited. We figure the sooner you get it, the better. Incidentally, last week’s guest, BlackRock’s Bob Shearer, also touched on Apple in the show and gold in his EXTRA interview. Two impressive investors with some similar thoughts, although Shearer is still just watching Apple closely for his BlackRock Equity Dividend fund.

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Have a great weekend. And make the week ahead a profitable and a productive one!

Best regards,

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  • Gold: a substitute for cash, universally recognized store of value
  • U.S. Treasury Securities: shorter term treasuries offer haven against market storms. They are liquid and guarantee of principle.
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Nokia Oyj ADR (NOK)
Price: $3.69 on 5/16/13
52-week range: $1.63 – $4.90

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“You know, it’s a three-dollar stock. It’s a $12 billion market capitalization. On the sum-of-the-parts basis, you’ve got about five billion or so in net cash, and you’ve got about six billion present discounted value of a royalty stream that they have through their patent portfolio, and then you’ve got maybe another couple billion or so in their joint venture with Siemens, so the point is, if you buy Nokia, you’re paying really nothing or next to nothing for their phone business which is what everybody knows them for, and so they have a phone business. They’ve got a smart phone business and a not-so-smart phone business. They’re not-so-smart phone business has led the world for years, but that’s a declining business. Their smart phone business is really more or less a joint venture with Microsoft and then Microsoft provides the software… And if that can be successful, and there are some reasons to believe that it can, not least of which because the phone market shares have bounced all over the place over the last many years, this is like having a warrant on Microsoft’s operating system and, you know, when you can buy a company like Nokia and not pay anything for its basic business, you know, you’re not really risking a lot, and maybe you can make a lot of money. So we’ll see what that looks like in a year.”

– Robert Kleinschmidt

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The Tocqueville Fund’s self described “authority resistant, independent thinker” reveals where his contrarian, value approach is leading him to invest now.

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April 1, 2011

Robert Kleinschmidt & Jeff Applegate

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May 11, 2008

Three savvy investors will be on hand to discuss their strategies with WealthTrack’s Consuelo Mack. Robert Kleinschmidt, Chief Investment Officer of Tocqueville Asset Management runs some top-rated stock funds. Bob Shearer manages the BlackRock Equity Dividend Fund and the BlackRock Natural Resources Trust. Kevin Landis is a veteran portfolio manager focusing on technology including clean energy.

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